Since I know at least two TW peeps read this...

[axeslade]

Tell me someone has written a fic about Ianto being the one who was all undead instead of Owen as was originally intended. Well-written would be preferrable, of course.

Because I need to see that. But I don't trust myself to write it if it's not already out there.

Comments

[stuffphile.livejournal.com]

No, no-one has written it. I know because I've only been wishing and hoping to find that ever since I heard about that switch. Someone definitely needs to write it, though. Go on! :D

[stuffphile.livejournal.com]

Oh. Now I remember. I did write a drabble about that. I could post it if you'd like to see it.

[axeslade.livejournal.com]

Yes, please!

Oh, and while I'm here--just wrote 700-ish words of Jack/Estelle that needs a looksee if you're able and willing.

I would NOT post this otherwise. Ahem.

[stuffphile.livejournal.com]

Jack watches him from shadowed doorways. Ianto isn't meant to see him, or perhaps he is. It feels like an age since such things meant anything; intent, desires, wishes. One day, he looks up at Jack, caught in the doorway. Their eyes meet, but all the feelings that can be told with a glance will never breach this wall that silence has built between them. Sometimes he just looks up, sidelong, and thinks about putting his head on Jack's shoulder. Jack would hold him, warm, strong hands on his back, and he'd understand, maybe, that Ianto doesn't blame him for this. Because I loved you, and it will never matter ever again. The warmth of Jack's living flesh would be wasted on him. He turns his eyes away.

Regret? Gwen's crying at her desk when he passes by. He regrets that.


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It's down to my embarassing penchant for melodrama.

And yes, always happy to help out. Send it along. :)

Re: I would NOT post this otherwise. Ahem.

[axeslade.livejournal.com]

Ohh. Damn.

Right, it's heading out as we speak.

[lefaym.livejournal.com]

I don't know of any such fics, but I actually have a LOT of ideas about how I think that would have played out. From what I can deduce from the original plans, I think it would have been a really cool storyline for him, although of course, it would have meant we lost him even sooner. :(

[axeslade.livejournal.com]

Yeah, there is that :(

Oh, and more Jack!angst, because of the whole zombiefication being his fault.

Man, is there anyway to *not* break Jack?

[lefaym.livejournal.com]

Well, my theory is that if Ianto had got that storyline, he wouldn't have been zombified in the same way that Owen was -- I think the second risen mitten would have acted more like the first one, and Ianto would have been more properly alive and feeding on Jack's life-energy. My evidence for this is Adam: originally, this was supposed to be episode 11, but they had to change it to episode 5-- I think this was because zombie!Owen was unable to digest retcon, which implies that a ressurected Ianto would have been able to digest it, indicating that he would not have been a walking corpse.

[axeslade.livejournal.com]

Oh, wow. Things to have thinky-thoughts about.

[lefaym.livejournal.com]

Yeah-- I think it would have been a really good storyline. I also think that the stuff about Ianto's family was supposed to come out then, as evidenced by the master tailor line in Something Borrowed, and the stories about Ianto's dad in From out of the Rain (which I think were lies-- the tie-in stuff from the BBC website said that the Electro closed in 1977, before Ianto was born).

I actually think that, if they had to kill him, it would have been a better death for Ianto than what he got in CoE, where the only excuse for killing him was "Let's make Jack sad". I mean, I'd much prefer that he hadn't died at all, of course, but if he had to die, I'd have liked it if he'd got a death worthy of his character.

[axeslade.livejournal.com]

All of this. Totally.

Dammit! I'm trying to plot out this massive Jack/Estelle (and eventually, at points, Ianto/Jack/Estelle...erm, yeah) AU and a fic I cannot say anything about because some people can't find out about it yet and...

Argh! I want this fic, so bad. Argh.

[stuffphile.livejournal.com]

Looking back at the first few episodes of series 2, you can actually see where they were laying the groundwork for that storyline. In TTLM, with the photos of Harriet, musing about how Torchwood equals early death, and beginning or restarting a romance with Jack... and in Meat, Ianto's pensive look at Jack's line, "that's your decision. You both have to live with it."

I wish they had done it, honestly. What I can't understand is, WHY did they leave in that "red is my colour" line in Reset after the changes. It's a joke with no punchline.

[lefaym.livejournal.com]

There were a LOT of little things that they didn't change that they should have. Like the line "You get to live forever, I get to die forever." Can you imagine how great that would have been if Ianto had said it? And it also explains why we actually get some really great relationship development in the first half of S2, but it's toned down in the second half -- most of the second half stuff was probably focused on Ianto's life-bonded to Jack status (imagine how that would have freaked Jack out), plus his family stuff, and then when they changed the storyline they had to remove it, and they didn't replace it with anything else.

I think in some ways the whole thing with Harriet still acts as foreshadowing for his death in CoE, again, if you look at the tie-in stuff from the BBC site -- apparently after Harriet died, Gerald was so wracked with guilt and self-blame that he had to leave Torchwood (though he was kept on as an advisor).

[axeslade.livejournal.com]

"You get to live forever, I get to die forever" Can you imagine how great that would have been if Ianto had said it?

And now it is being said by the Ianto-in-my-head.

...I think I have to claim this plunny, now.

[stuffphile.livejournal.com]

"You don't care about me. You brought me back for a code" springs to mind.

I try to imagine whether Ianto would've run away as Owen did (and mostly, would they've gone with the vomiting thing? Not very romantic). It's typical of Owen to rebel against Jack. It reminds me of people likening Owen to a teenager, or a middle child.

I guess if anything, Ianto would worry about whether his role in Torchwood was in jeopardy. Perhaps he might worry about how much of his importance there comes from being Jack's lover, if, he couldn't be that anymore. It's difficult to say, because there's only Cyberwoman and End of Days where we see Ianto and Jack at odds, and there were different factors at the heart of those conflicts.

If Jack had resurrected Ianto, it'd would've been a fascinating turnaround, considering Ianto had also kept Lisa suspended in a kind of death.

Well, foreshadowing one death in the team will always apply to all of them, forever, basically. So, to me it's silly to have it stand as it does with signs pointing to Ianto's death, when two others died before him.

[lefaym.livejournal.com]

"You don't care about me. You brought me back for a code" springs to mind.

Yes! I am quite sure that that was supposed to be Ianto's line. But like you, I tend to think that the running off thing, and the vomiting was probably written for Owen.

[axeslade.livejournal.com]

The code line just had to be meant for Ianto. The second bit? Yeah, written for Owen.

Re: being Jack's lover..after having written Tosh/zombiefied!Owen, I have to paraphrase what I had running through that: we do love with more than our bodies, and the mind can trick itself into believing it feels lots of things, a la phantom limbs. Not very relevant, but there it is.

And the Lisa thing...wow, yeah, dark and twisty waters we'd be getting into there.

Damn.

I just can't stop thinking about what not-dead!Ianto would have been like if we're supposing the second glove worked like the first--and how the whole life-drainage thing works when you're draining someone like Jack

Of course, I could just be missing something obvious as it's been awhile since I really looked at S1...

[ceindreadh.livejournal.com]

I wonder would Ianto have died for good when Jack died in Fragments? (wasn't that the first time he died after Reset?)

[axeslade.livejournal.com]

There's that. I was also considering, if Ianto would be draining on Jack the same way Suzie was draining on Gwen--would Jack be continually dying of a gunshot wound? (as I'm supposing the same death was supposed to happen for Ianto as it did for Owen)

Ahh, thinky-thoughts.

[stuffphile.livejournal.com]

So, apparently some people have written it, and I fail at finding fanfics.

Here at twgenrefinders (http://community.livejournal.com/twgenrefinders/178462.html#cutid1)